Moments the boys were wrong...

by **I Wroted** » Wed 21 May, 2008 2:43 pm

Listening to the early 2002 show today, where Steve is talking about finding a better deal for a PS2 and GTA3 (getting £20 off at Virgin, whereas he'd just got it at HMV). Now, I work in retail and if the games and consoles are unopened and you have the receipt, which according to the story they were (as he notes he found the better deal straight afterwards) then you CAN just go back and say you made a mistake and want a full refund.

So instead of 'seeing floating twenty pound notes on the TV', he could have easily just gone back and got the better deal. I thought everyone knew this.

Anyone else remember times when the boys have been generally wrong or naive about things (not specifically 'facts' though)?

by **Martin** » Wed 21 May, 2008 3:15 pm

Steve getting horizontal and vertical mixed up, something that most people learn at primary school.

When they give Karl grief about the little man inside E.T. only for it to turn out to be true.

by **Marcy** » Wed 21 May, 2008 4:03 pm

A lot of people would be embarrassed to take back something as big as a games console 10 minutes after you bought it. It's obvious your doing it because you've seen a better deal else where and we already know Steve doesn't like to be thought of as a cheapskate.

Plus half the time its not worth the hassle. You have to get the managers down to issue refunds and fill in forms because the staff don't know how to do it. Then most of the time they try and fob you off with gift cards even though they're not meant to. It's literally not worth it.

You do make a good point though and you are right.

by **bhlaab** » Wed 21 May, 2008 7:53 pm

chimps do have opposable thumbs

by **it's_a_foodage** » Wed 21 May, 2008 7:55 pm

It's always annoyed me when Ricky told the problem when "The one guarding Heaven always tells the truth, the one guarding Hell always tells a lie". Ricky completely messes up the telling of it. Even the next week when he says "I forgot to say assume no prior knowlege" still doesn't make it right, because you could just say "is that a door" and point to the door. (Unless they don't even know that in which case it significantly limits the questions you can ask anyway). The right way is to just to say "One is guarding Heaven, One is guarding Hell, One always Lies, one always tells the truth". It is essential to the problem that there is no correlation between the the truth teller and which door he is guarding. That way you can ask any question you like and they can answer but the only question you can ask which will give you the door to Heaven is the one stated by Ricky on the show.

Sorry that was really long-winded. And it's probably been discussed before somewhere, so sorry again. Having said all that, I know Ricky is a very intelligent man and I have learnt stuff from him.

by **ScottHanson** » Wed 21 May, 2008 11:21 pm

it's_a_foodage wrote:Even the next week when he says "I forgot to say assume no prior knowlege" still doesn't make it right, because you could just say "is that a door" and point to the door. (Unless they don't even know that in which case it significantly limits the questions you can ask anyway).

But if you include stuff like that, then you can ask virtually any objective question, which makes the whole thing redundant. I think limiting the questions is the point isn't it...

and if you don't know which one lies and which one tells the truth, how would you know which one to trust?

(Humor me for a second) One of these men is guarding Heaven, one is guarding Hell, one always Lies, one always tells the truth" What question do you ask and to whom, Mr A or Mr B?

Mr A

Mr B

by **VT_Hokie** » Thu 22 May, 2008 2:35 am

Reminds me of the door knockers in the movie Labyrinth.

I'm glad this thread is here cause it gives me the opportunity to vent about something Ricky said that always irked me. They were talking about evolution or religion or something and they brought up Americans' views on it. Ricky said something like 'more Americans believe Elvis is still alive than believe in evolution' Get outta here with that. I know loads of people that believe in evolution (some believe in God at the same time). I don't know a single person that thinks Elvis is still alive.

Thank you.

by **KnockinAbout** » Thu 22 May, 2008 4:15 am

Helium in the Hindenburg.

by **A Swede Man** » Thu 22 May, 2008 7:02 am

ScottHanson wrote:and if you don't know which one lies and which one tells the truth, how would you know which one to trust?

That doesn't matter, they'll always reveal what door they're behind.

ScottHanson wrote:(Humor me for a second) One of these men is guarding Heaven, one is guarding Hell, one always Lies, one always tells the truth" What question do you ask and to whom, Mr A or Mr B?

Mr A

Mr B

Got some post for God here...

No, you would just ask Mr. A: "If I were to ask Mr. B what door he was guarding, what would he answer?"

by **SmugglingSeaweed** » Thu 22 May, 2008 11:15 am

It's an open-ended question no matter how much you restrict the parameters. The answer Gervais gives isn't the only one that could work. Even ignoring the obvious "Is that a door?" route, you could also ask "Is it true that one of you always lies and one of you always tells the truth?", "Is it true that heaven is behind one of these two doors?", "Does hell exist?" etc.

by **A Swede Man** » Thu 22 May, 2008 11:45 am

SmugglingSeaweed wrote:It's an open-ended question no matter how much you restrict the parameters. The answer Gervais gives isn't the only one that could work. Even ignoring the obvious "Is that a door?" route, you could also ask "Is it true that one of you always lies and one of you always tells the truth?", "Is it true that heaven is behind one of these two doors?", "Does hell exist?" etc.

Well, if you do what Foodage suggests, then you can find out who is lying and who is telling the truth but that doesn't matter since you don't know what door they're guarding.

by **it's_a_foodage** » Thu 22 May, 2008 12:05 pm

SmugglingSeaweed wrote:It's an open-ended question no matter how much you restrict the parameters. The answer Gervais gives isn't the only one that could work. Even ignoring the obvious "Is that a door?" route, you could also ask "Is it true that one of you always lies and one of you always tells the truth?", "Is it true that heaven is behind one of these two doors?", "Does hell exist?" etc.

It's because Ricky told it wrong. If you read tell the puzzle correctly than the answer Ricky gave would be the ONLY way to find out which door to go through even if you were allowed to ask whatever question you like.

by **ScottHanson** » Thu 22 May, 2008 12:20 pm

it's_a_foodage wrote:It's because Ricky told it wrong. If you read tell the puzzle correctly than the answer Ricky gave would be the ONLY way to find out which door to go through even if you were allowed to ask whatever question you like.

Good point, which is ironic, considering how much Ricky complained about "what am I thinking" type lateral puzzles with infinite answers, he then messes up a real one to create exactly that. Shaddap-a-Gervais!

by **SmugglingSeaweed** » Thu 22 May, 2008 12:25 pm

He did the baby-slicing Solomon wrong too, and didn't understand how Karl's lighthouse riddle worked, prompting the best reaction of joy in history from Karl.

by **it's_a_foodage** » Thu 22 May, 2008 1:14 pm

SmugglingSeaweed wrote:He did the baby-slicing Solomon wrong too, and didn't understand how Karl's lighthouse riddle worked, prompting the best reaction of joy in history from Karl.

Yeah, I think that moment when karl goes a bit mental is my favourite moment ever on any of the XFM shows or podcasts.

Can you tell me how the Solomon story should go, as I was told it at Primary school the same way Ricky told it. I always thought it didn't make much sense.

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